AcmeBarGig Gut Files

[Ken McLaren]

Hey if you have any gut files, zip em up and place em here

[Agreed]

Here's what I just made to move the ball down the field (cross-posted from the release thread)

Agreed's Modern Hi-Gain and Agreed's Modern Hi-Gain 2 (what did you expect from me, cleans? )

With these, I was going for a straight-forward, modern high-gain tone. Lots of bandwidth, lots of distortion, a balance of low end, midrange, and highs. The difference between 1 and 2 is that I tuned 1 to have a slightly less forward midrange and a more bottom-resonant cabinet, so it's got a lot of "thud" to it that some metal players will like. Version 2 has a punchier midrange and a more refined, less thumping low end, as well as a modified treble profile. Between the two of these you should be able to get a metal tone you enjoy, and maybe it'll help some newcomers understand a little bit more about the software.

Agreed's Modern Hi-Gain GUTs file
Agreed's Modern Hi-Gain 2 GUTS file

Clip with Agreed's Modern Hi-Gain One

[ARIBAI]

agreed:

why not attach those GUTS files here?
is just easier than downloading from 3rd party hosts.

[Agreed]

That is a fair question, I prefer not to use board hosting when a non-registered member can't access it. In this case especially since I cross-posted that to KVR in order to help get more interest in the open beta and more registration for G.A.M. as well. Hopefully it isn't too much of a problem for folks to make a click or two to get a small file

[Ken McLaren]

Agreed where is that post on KVR gimme a link.. Thanks, alsio check you email. I'll write something formal for you to post there...

[Agreed]

My last post on the topic for a little while. This is a high-gain patch I made for use with external IRs. Here, I'm using Aradaz OUR cabinet sim, with a 90/10 blend of Alu's great Mesa 1 and Noa's Soldano, sample-delay of 3 samples to focus the sound. This patch is intended to get somewhere close to a Mesa Mark III or Mark IV sound, certainly not exact but that was my goal in tweaking it and I only spent a little time on it. Please excuse the very sloppy playing on the clip, I have to get back to a paper but I wanted to show that this isn't limited to the internal cabinet sim if for some reason you find it difficult to work with, or, like me, have a huge library of IRs that you'd often prefer to use. Cabinet sims are neat but IRs are Where It's At as far as I'm concerned (not to disparage Ken's work on the cabinet shaper, it is a fine DI-style cabinet sim but IRs are very good technology)

Agreed Hi-Gain for IR (Markish) GUT file

[Don Tonberry]

I tried creating a "And Justice for All" tone

[Ken McLaren]

Cool I'll be interested in exploring that Amp. Thats another thing that I like, you can explore what other tones can come out of an amp.

[Junior Paiz]

Ok, my turn
I wasn't try to model no amp in specific, just trying to make a good sound ! An what an amazing piece of software Guts/Snap is. Thank you Ken !

[Nikko]

OK, here's a REAL FAT one, done with an Ibanez 7-string with stock pups that aren't too strong...
If you have hot pickups, you might want to back off on the gain a bit....
.. or not

This way-COOL piece of software has a LOT of potential!

[Agreed]

Anyone try mine? I'd love to hear how others found them, if anyone downloaded them that is

[Ken McLaren]

Hey Guys. I checked out all the Gut Files, Wow you guys impressed the hell outta me. I expected something that resmbled amps, but those were really good. I just wanted to point out a some things so that your sims will be better and info that should have been in the manual but didn't get there.

Anyways, the one thing you all had in common is that the tone knobs were being used to adjust sound. They are not for that in Guts. They allow you to perform a check of what happens when you set them differently, like as if you were in Snap. So the way it should be done, or at least I think, is to turn all the knobs full blast, then to shape the overall characteristics of your amp you use the sliders. The sliders set the maximum allowable amount in Snap. An amp with high mids will have the slider higher than all the others, likewise a bottom end amp will have the bass slider higher than all the others. This is why I call it amp shaping because you can look at the pattern of the sliders and tell what the amp is gonna be, tonally that is. This technique also ensures that when the user gets your gut file there will be no clip. We have to remember we're modelling amps not changing settings. Its kind of a different way of thinking. So, now you have an amp that has the right basic tone you're looking for. Now you can start to see how it reacts to different settings by changing the tne knobs, drive etc. not with the sliders this time though, with the knobs. The amp will not change as long as you leave the sliders. You already have the shape set. Shaping can be thought of as setting maxuimum values. You will be surprised at how these amps characteristics change when you start turning knobs. In some cases you find that turning up the treble knob will increase mid. Turning the gain to 100 will do nothing. Intersting too once you start turning knobs around, you'll see how changing the crossovers will affect the sound too. You want a well rounded amp, one that has enough gain, and a nice clean sound. Believe me its harder than it seems.

So what I did was loaded all your amps checked them out, and edited them. This is a great starting point You original tone is really cl;ose I just basically setup the sliders. Also, you'll notice numbers on the knobs as you turn them these are proportional to the slider. So if your knob is at say 75 and you need to move turn it to 100. simply move the slider down 25 and the knob at full. That will be the same level as the knob at 75 and the slider 25 points higher.

So knobs at max, and use the sliders.

GutFiles.rar

Ken

[Agreed]

Er, Ken, I was already doing it that way. Except rather than loading it all full-blast, I instead made sure that the range of adjustment on the knobs was like the amp that I was trying to get the sound of, then I set them as I personally wanted to hear them (think of them as compile settings). This allows the end user to have a range of adjustment for the tone that sounds good. I am not sure that would be maintained if you changed my stuff around

[smudge]

Interesting Ken, I aimed to get my ideal sound with knobs about half way then I can increase as well as subtract from that sound.
It was getting late when I was testing last night and I knew you wanted files so a couple of quick tweeks went on the knobs., I will give your edits a look over later and try your way.

If anyone is having trouble dialing a good sound keep trying, I use clean and crunch sounds and was having loads of problems getting a hot clean sound with that valve chime, eventually I got there but I found loads more bad sounds than good, you will soon see the areas to avoid and it all begins to come together.

Great piece of software once you learn it and when you have a few basic amps modeled your away.

[residentour]

Anyone try mine? I'd love to hear how others found them, if anyone downloaded them that is

I tried them 2 minutes ago and these are awesome. No need to put any impulse after. I modified hi-gain one a bit.

[Ken McLaren]

Er, Ken, I was already doing it that way. Except rather than loading it all full-blast, I instead made sure that the range of adjustment on the knobs was like the amp that I was trying to get the sound of, then I set them as I personally wanted to hear them (think of them as compile settings). This allows the end user to have a range of adjustment for the tone that sounds good. I am not sure that would be maintained if you changed my stuff around

Oh OK, Thats why your amp did'nt clip. Well I stand corrected, good job though nonetheless, the amps sounded great. I may inlclude in the new version settable over sampling, I'm not sure was that you who suggested that Agreed? Also I renamed the GUT Files as Edited, so that it does'nt appear that it is the original sound.

And just in case you guys don't know, Smudge and Agreed you guys are both beta testers. I Didn't know if you guys knew because you're names are different on the server.

KM

[Ken McLaren]

Cookl Res, I'll check them out later tonight when I take a break from DuelGain, which is now called DIG, Dual Integrated Gain. That I hope to release as freeware this weekend..

I was just thinking, you know out the two active developers I know of here, myself and LePou, we're both Canadian. Where LePou is from is an amazing place, the food is incredible, its also the birth place of our founding father(sorta) Jean Chretien, he wrote our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our Constitution. Which defines Canadian Values. To give you an idea of how young of a country Canada is, I saw Jean Chretien on TV Yesterday!

KM

[Robitaille20]

Weird...you mentioned that it should have been in the manual, but didn't get there - the part about turning the knobs all the way up and using the sliders to tweak? I got to play around with the software just a little bit last night (not as much as I had wanted to ) but the first thing I did was read the guide that came with the software and that was indeed in there, so that was what I was doing in my limited time to play with it.

[Junior Paiz]

I've tried to dial some kind of clean amp. I got to say that this is becoming so much more easier than the first time I've tried (you can hear/ play downloading the gut file above ). If Ken implements more controls in this baby, we'll have even mopre sounds to dial from Guts. Amazing is the least I can say !
PS: Please, comments... I wanna know if I'm improving and you guys are the way to know it. And if you want to mod my GUT file, be my guest !

[Ken McLaren]

Thanks Rob it was about 4 am when I wrote that manual and could'nt really remember what I put in it. Boodoplh I'll check it a little later tonight. Last one was good..

Hey Rob, when do we get to hear a Gut from you..

KM

[smudge]

A couple of clean sounding Gut files here with rough noodling soundclips to illustrate the type of sound. Only Guts and snap used and a Tele.

Perhaps a good idea for any gut files posted also give us a very brief soundclip so we know what you are aiming for.

http://rapidshare-not-allowed.com/files/213760345/Clean.rar

a few more are being worked on if anyone is interested in the cleaner side of things

[futur2]

a few more are being worked on if anyone is interested in the cleaner side of things

yes please!

[Robitaille20]

Thanks Rob it was about 4 am when I wrote that manual and could'nt really remember what I put in it. Boodoplh I'll check it a little later tonight. Last one was good..

Hey Rob, when do we get to hear a Gut from you..

KM

I'm hoping for some time this weekend when I will FINALLY have enough time to give it a good honest go and make something at least on par with what I've heard so far. I hope I can pull something off! LOL To be honest, I'm pretty much in awe of the regulars around here and their ability to crank out some KILLER tones...I hope to rise to that level some day!

[Ken McLaren]

Well Rob, we're all in this thing at the same time. The beta testers and I don't really have a lot of time on it either. But just a note, Wyres Strings will be sponsoring a Gut file contest coming very soon! Prizes and details are coming. I have been using these strings for about 5 years and They are Hand Wound, very cool stuff. Its not announced on their site yet, but will be as soon as we get the details back. I'm waiting to hear back from Marshall, Fender, and Mesa Boogie to see if they'll judge. Also we need permission from them to use their names in Categories. I'd like to have Best Marshall, Best Fender, and Best Mesa Boogie categories, as well as a best freestyle.
Here's their site...
www.wyresstrings.com

Ken

[Junior Paiz]

Well Rob, we're all in this thing at the same time. The beta testers and I don't really have a lot of time on it either. But just a note, Wyres Strings will be sponsoring a Gut file contest coming very soon! Prizes and details are coming. I have been using these strings for about 5 years and They are Hand Wound, very cool stuff. Its not announced on their site yet, but will be as soon as we get the details back. I'm waiting to hear back from Marshall, Fender, and Mesa Boogie to see if they'll judge. Also we need permission from them to use their names in Categories. I'd like to have Best Marshall, Best Fender, and Best Mesa Boogie categories, as well as a best freestyle.
Here's their site...
http://www.wyresstrings.com

Ken

That (the contest) is a great thing ! Is amazing how someone who's willing can make things happen, isn't it ? I'm still learning Guts... you can get so many sounds with it that I can have enough hours spent on it... maybe this weekend i'll come with some more amps !!!