Guide to Tone Pt 2

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Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby EasySleazy » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:42 am

The basic guidelines for a clear (not clean) but heavy tone...or something... Some things first: A good metal tone doesn't mean, gain all the way up and the middle knob at 0! Take it slowly and keep the knobs of the amp at a neutral setting for starters. This goes also with the real hi gain amps. Usually, if not always, an ultra gain setting with the middle knob all the way down to 0 sounds, let's say, unpleasant.

I'll be talking about Guitar Rig 2 through Cubase SX2. You'll need Voxengo Boogex or Voxengo Pristine space or Revalver MKII. Voxengo boogex is a free plug in, Voxengo Pristine Space is not free (but it can be found...).

So let's try this from the top. Open your DAW (this means open Cubase). Start an audio recording session. After the multitrack view appears, press F3. You'll be directed to the "Mixer" window. In this window you can see some columns with volume sliders. Go to the far lest volume slider. Directly to the left of it you can see an "e" button. Click it. The "VST Input Channel Settings" appears. Here you can load any plugin you want (Guitar Rig 2, Amplitube 2, Revalver, equalizer plug ins, compressors, delays, reverbs etc) with a limitation of 8 slots (that means you can load there up to 8 plug ins). Left click on one of the slots and choose Guitar Rig 2 from the menu. Now it is time to create a preset. Load the Gratifier amp. Switch from clean to modern channel. It sounds a little weird/crap doesn't it? Notice how the sound changes by putting a distortion pedal in front of it (that means above the gratifier, avoid the fuzz pedals at all costs).

Generally a distortion/overdrive pedal is a vital addition before the Gratifier amp. The "Cat", "Skreamer", "Transamp" or the "Treble Booster" are very good pedals to put in front of the amp. You'll be using only one (not all of them together!).

If you encounter noise while not playing (which is most likely due to the high gain), put the Noise Reduction component in front of the distortion pedal. Stop playing and adjust the THRESHOLD of the Noise Reduction at a level where there is almost utter silence. If you notice that the Noise reduction kicks in late after you've completely stopped playing, press the "+" button and set the "release" knob at a lower value.

Right now the chain of components within Guitar rig should be this, NoiseReduction----->one of the forementioned distortion pedals------>Gratifier amp------>and the cabinet that was loaded when we loaded the Gratifier. The standard cab/mic combo that appears after we have inserted the Gratifier model is the 4x12 Gratifier cab with the Dynamic 609 mic. Switch to the dynamic 421 mic and see the difference. Add another gratifier cab with a dynamic 57 on axis. This is a nice cabinet combo. Also turn the AIR control all the way down in both cabs.

The following clip was done with the forementioned chain. For the distortion pedal I used the Demon Distortion with the "cruncher" preset loaded. The amp has flat settings. The second clip is the same chain WITHOUT the distortion pedal! Listen to the difference! The demon distortion is a difficult stomp box to master however!

http://www.esnips.com/doc/e848cc96-5387 ... WITH-DEMON
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f9320065-0538 ... HOUT-DEMON

Now time to use an impulse. For now, what you need to know is that "impulses" actually take the place of the guitar rig cabinet. Remember the Mixer window? Press f3 to make it come back (you may need to press f3 twice). Again press the "e" situated to the far left. Left click a slot that is situated under the slot that you have placed guitar rig 2. Select Voxengo Boogex from the list. Now go to guitar rig and turn it's cabinets off.

It's time you downloaded some impulses. In this forum you'll find plenty. I recommend downloading these http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?t=1226
Impulses are really really short wav files, you won't hear anything if you put them in winamp to listen.

After you have extracted the files, go to the Voxengo Boogex interface and press "File". Search for the files you extracted and load one impulse (for example load the "between0" file). Remember that by now you must have turned all of guitar rig's cabinet's off. Play and you'll notice a big difference in the tone. Now it's time for some adjustments in Boogex. The "Pre Filter" knobs must be all at 0.0db. Turn all the "Amplifier" knobs to 0.0 and the "Out" knob at -24db (it can't be turned off). Turn the "Dry Podt Cab" knob at -inf db, and the "Dry Pre Cab" at 0 or above. Try other impulses too. With Boogex you can use only one at a time.

After all this procedure, you may start tweaking the amps settings, change overdrive pedals etc.

Here is how the initial preset sounds now with the impulse:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/9f800d78-09f8 ... TH-IMPULSE

Don't expect to achieve everything overnight! You'll have to make efforts to understand how the whole thing works. Also create audio clips. That is the only way to see if you are making progress or not. It's good to make pauses when you've been tweaking your sound for a lot of time and listen to a band you like, and then go back. Then you'll understand if the tone you've been working on is good or bad.

If you are completely new to recording through Cubase, it is good to take some time and study some basics that are explained in the manual!
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Postby seyd » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:24 am

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Postby EasySleazy » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:26 pm

Man I had to write this stuff down! Had to compile them in one post!
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Postby Brohymn » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:32 pm

Nice work :D

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Postby Alu » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:40 pm

Wow man! This is a really great tutorial! Even my mother could get killer sounds out of GR using these suggestions!
Great work, simple and effective!

And great english too!

Thanx for the effort!
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Postby Nikko » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:25 pm

Outstanding tutorial!!! 8) :shock: 8) Thanks again, EZ!!!
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Postby EasySleazy » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:21 pm

Thanks guys, I just hope that newcomers will be able to understand this. More thorough guide coming soon. These are just the basics :shock:
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Postby HOTRIFF » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:35 pm

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Postby iMpulZ! » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:35 pm

wow thank you so much EZ, I was having some troubles to get good sounds and it helped me a lot ;D. thanks again
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Postby buttercam » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:35 pm

hey EasySleazy, Do you ever use any plugins AFTER guitar rig? I always read about people using post eq's and reverbs but I've was curious if there is a reason and how exactly how much it can change the sound.
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Postby EasySleazy » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:38 pm

Sure, all the time! It can alter the sound a lot! But it is very important to have a decent tone from the beginning, so that you won't get lost in all these equalizers and compressors!
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Postby Flaming » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:56 pm

This is awesome Sleazy!!!

Simply awesome!!!

Thank You Very Much!!!

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby wasted » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:11 pm

thank you, man, you've done a great work explaining this stuff so anyone can understand and use the information. i doubt if there is more detailed and yet understandable "tutorial" anywhere else.
just one problem - i start cubase, open the mixer window, load the plug-ins on the far left channel and.. no sound is coming out, although the indicator on the left of the slider acts like there is sound
i can record the sound and hear the result, but i can't audition it in realtime
any idea why is that?
oh, and thanks again

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby EasySleazy » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:26 pm

After you have inserted the plug ins in the mixer, go to the multitrack screen and press the little speaker button that lies in every channel. You have to press just one "speaker" button in one channel, not all the speakers in all the tracks!
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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby wasted » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:56 pm

thanks, that did the trick.
there sure is a lot of latency(>1sec), but i guess it's normal

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby EasySleazy » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:36 pm

there sure is a lot of latency(>1sec), but i guess it's normal


Does this happen when you play with the amp sim in standalone mode? If it does, then you should install ASIO4ALL!
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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby wasted » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:51 pm

in standalone everything is ok, the latency is hardly noticabe(i've got ASIO4ALL), the latency appears only in cubase with the vst plugin chain. but i'm okay with it as i'll be using it only for adjusting the tone. just to say that i didn't know impulses exist, until couple of days of days before, wnen i read this and..well you replaced my squirming agony with a lot of joy and sense of satisfaction :D
so i can live with a second or two latency :)

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby EasySleazy » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:28 pm

ust to say that i didn't know impulses exist, until couple of days of days before, wnen i read this and..well you replaced my squirming agony with a lot of joy and sense of satisfaction :D


lol, just one last thing then. In Cubase, go to the Device setup menu and click on Multitrack settings. Maybe there lies the trouble?
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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby Helit » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:45 am

Great tutorial man. Really gratefull. But there is one problem. When i load the impulse in Boogex i get this really really loud noise. My GR setups looks like this -> Demon Distortion -> Gratifier. Without the Boogex plugin i dont get that noise at all. And i did setup boogex exactly like you said in your post.

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby Helit » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:23 am

Solved it by loading the impulse in ReValver instead. Works great!

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby thanatoz » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:05 am

How do you get it sound like that? What preamp do you use? I use Behringer EURORACK UB1202 Mixer as preamp and M-Audio delta 1010LT as sound card. However, Something is wrong everything sounds like crap. I´m newbie so I don´t know much about those things. Outstandingly good forum anyway!

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby Kuno45 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:37 pm

Thank you very much for this great guide.
Without this guide it would take me months to figure this stuff out :-)

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby johna » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:13 pm

The Voxengo Boogex setttings you describe were key for me. The default settings in Voxengo Boogex sounded way off.

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby shred_hero » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:31 pm

Good work man,
One question , are those setting that you were talking about is somthing that you can hear in real time play or this tone gets done after recording?!

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Re: Guide to Tone Pt 2

Postby Metafis » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:18 pm

Good stuff! However, not much new for me here. Moving to the Pt 3 =)
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